User talk:Andy Dingley

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Hi Andy, sorry but I don't follow your argument on deleting the category 1975 in County Durham, the photo was taken in 1975 in County Durham so what is the problem? The category 1975 Stockton & Darlington cavalcade isn't a subcat of that. regards Murgatroyd49 (talk) 17:59, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

The cavalcade is clearly an event in Durham in 1975. It belongs in that category.

Photos of the locos are much less strongly linked to time and place. They're obviously "in preservation", but it would be hard to tell them apart from the 1980 cavalcade at Rainhill. Now we would still add the time and place categorisation to them, except that they're going into the specific cavalcade category. Now COM:OVERCAT starts to apply: being at the cavalcade completely implies also being in Durham in '75, so we don't need both. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Andy, apologies for the confusion, I somehow managed to miss the Cavalcade being a sub-cat of 1975 in Durham, despite checking it twice. The question arises as to whether photos taken at Shildon in the days preceding to the cavalcade, should appear in the cavalcade section. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 10:40, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

I added the cavalcade to Durham when I was doing the locos. Seemed like an obvious "event in 1975" to have it.

I would certainly put them in the cavalcade, or at least under it. If there's a handful, put them in it. If we find a whole gallery of "preparations before the cavalcade", then make a sub-cat for that (but it's then a sub-cat, still under it). That happened for Category:Photographs by Willem van de Poll of preparations for the Inauguration of Queen Juliana of the Netherlands Andy Dingley (talk) 11:34, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, that explains it, I'm not quite as senile as I thought I was! To the best of my knowledge there are about half a dozen images not actually taken during the cavalcade itself, including two of mine. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 14:26, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Chepstow Drill Hall photo

Following your reversion of my change, File:Apple Day singing, Chepstow Dril Hall 2014.jpg is now in Category:Apple Day, Chepstow and Category:Chepstow Drill Hall, and the former is a subcategory of the latter. Surely a file shouldn't be in a category and its parent, according to the modularity principle as described at COM:CAT? Dave.Dunford (talk) 17:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

That's a very broad and loose guideline, often best ignored.

This photo is inside the Drill Hall. It belongs in the cat, as illustration of inside the Drill Hall (I presume you're local and familiar with it?) and showing the decor.

Apple Day is not limited to the Drill Hall. It's justified to include it within the Drill Hall, because that's where most of the events take place (I just wish we had more photos) – but it's far from exclusive. This would be clearer if we had more photos.

So although these are both inclusions in the same category, they're for different reasons. One does not fully imply the other, so OVERCAT isn't strongly relevant. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:17, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

OK – I'm not entirely convinced that Apple Day should be a subcat of the Drill Hall, or that the guideline should be so casually ignored, but I'll leave it be. I'm not familiar with the event or the building. Dave.Dunford (talk) 19:28, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Images from Life of Brunel

I cannot see any attribution in the Gutenberg text for most of the images; only for the Frontispice, and a few of other signed by H Adlard. If you have further information, I am happy to leave the clearing up of the attributions to you. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 20:55, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Tatjana Doma.jpeg

Please continue the discussion at that DR, where you seem to have made serious but baseless accusations against another user. Brianjd (talk) 02:26, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Buffers / Buffer stops

I was wondering the difference of Category:Buffers in England and Category:Buffer stops in England.

I also noticed that you've put buffer stops into the main category railway station buffer stops, but buffers don't necessarily have to locate at railway stations, do they? Not entirely sure where to categorize buffer photos at the moment so any advice is welcome. Thanks :) - Coen (talk) 11:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

• The whole thing's a mess and there's a bunch of duplication. Mostly this was some cleanup to get past "rail pyramids" recently.

"Buffers" is wrong. It should be "buffer stops" at least, otherwise we get into all the photos of buffers on rolling stock. It should also incorporate fixed bent-rail stops, stop blocks, terminus station huge hydraulic things and collapsible scissors. Otherwise we could easily "go Commons" on it and sub-categorise into an empty list of pointless tiny categories.

Overall, I'm not a fan of "buffer stops in stations". It's definining and a pretty clear distinction from buffer stops elsewhere, but I don't see it as adding much value. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:57, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Cees de Boer

Dear Andy Dingley, All categories re Dutch photographer Cees de Boer seem to have a category structure formed by {{ANEFO photographer location|Cees de Boer|Boer, Cees, de etc., see Category:Photographs by Cees de Boer in IJmuiden (1982). There seem to be dozens of these categories, all starting with the word ANEFO. Cees de Boer wasn't an ANEFO photographer though, as he was the founder of Photo Press Agency De Boer, see Category:Fotopersbureau C. de Boer. Is it possible to remove the word ANEFO from all these categories? Vysotsky (talk) 16:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Where does the phrase ANEFO appear in these categories? Andy Dingley (talk) 16:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

The phrase ANEFO is at the start of all (several hundreds) templates re Cees de Boer, for example {{ANEFO photographer location|Cees de Boer|Boer, Cees, de|IJmuiden|North Holland|198|2|intermediate=Velsen}}. I saw that after I found the phrase back in a category of a photo by De Boer and looked at the origin of the phrase, but I can't retrace the photo. Vysotsky (talk) 12:00, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

So where does the phrase ANEFO appear in these categories?

The {{ANEFO photographer location}} template was written to handle the problem of describing the vast amount of content from the prolific ANEFO photographers. It is (by default) targeted at Dutch photographers, with the implicit assumption that the content is in the Netherlands (easily overridden) and it has some embedded behaviour around the Dutch provinces. There is nothing in this template, other than its name, which limits it to ANEFO. It's already in use for a lot of RCE content (which often overlaps with ANEFO, but isn't the same thing) and likewise it works for the De Boer agency content too.

What is the problem here? Andy Dingley (talk) 12:31, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

In short: the template suggests ANEFO includes RCE and De Boer, which is not the case. Is it possible to either rename the template to something like "Dutch photographers location" or make a distinction between templates of these three photo press agencies? Vysotsky (talk) 13:16, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

So where does the phrase ANEFO appear in these generated categories?

That's the sort of thing that in hindsight one might have done. However it conveys absolutely no advantage and would be a massive amount of work to do it. So no, I'm not going to waste time on such a thing. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:29, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Better category

Hi, Andy Dingley. "Fuck nazis (text)" is not a better category because "Category:Fuck Nazis (text) is a textual category. You can see here how these "(text)" categories work. For example Category:Christmas (text) does not contain images depicting words such as "Nöel" (French), "Natal" (Portuguese) or "Navidad" (Spanish) neither Category:And (text) includes depictions of words such as "et" (French), "und" (German) or "y" (Spanish). Those categories are intended to contain specific words, not meanings. Regards. Strakhov (talk) 23:10, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

A literal translation of this places it within that category. As Commons categories are English language (You can question whether we should do this, but the fact is that we do.) then this image belongs in there.

Also I know what your maiden aunt's French dictionary gives as a translation here, but this does not say "Kiss Nazis". Andy Dingley (talk) 23:21, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

My "maiden aunt's French dictionary"? isn't that a bit jerk-ish, Andy? By the way, I didn't even translate that, I took for granted that it meant what the description said. With regard to your "Commons categories are English language", you can see here that "not all Commons categories are English language" [sic], but you are certainly entitled to your opinions. Take care. Strakhov (talk) 00:26, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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